Mogwai_toejam (akktri) wrote in christianthinkg,
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Depressing poems

In response to...
In response to http://amazonx.livejournal.com/266005.html
I am the reader that is thoroughly confused.
I am the reader who wonders why the author is saying he or she is in favor of gay marriage and somehow opposed to it at the same time.
I am the reader who thinks this author needs to study some books on thesis and composition to unify a point.
I am the reader who thinks that the author is trying to do some Buddhist thing, but it doesn't work because they take a side on gay marriage.
I am the reader who does a tapdance because marriage is still legally considered a union between man and woman, and not man and dog, man and child or man and inanimate object.
I am a reader that celebrates the fact that marriage still has a meaning.
At least for a little while longer.
I am the reader that isn't sure why the author thinks that not allowing people of the same sex, people and pets, or adults and children to marry would be considered "hate."
And the sequel (http://amazonx.livejournal.com/265809.html):

I think homophobia is wrong. People are born how they are, and if you're born not what you want to be, you can change. And that's good. And that's beautiful. And I love you for it.

You said it. I'm going to be a combination black, Chinese and Mexican female, with a prehensile tail and fangs! YOU'RE RIGHT! I CAN CHANGE! HOLA, FAMILI-OH! YO SOY SAUCE MEXICAN! (I'm bilateral!)
I'm going to march right down to that clinic and make myself a black chinese mexican female...WITH A TAIL!
I CAN STOP BEING WHITE!


I am the girl kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother that I am a lesbian.
I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.


I don't know about that. The city hired this one transsexual guy and they built a special restroom just for him.


I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.


Vague generality. What causes this pain, hmm? Gay sex?


We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.


Unexplained incident. Why do you assume it's due to something gay related? Maybe she got hit by a bus!


I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.
I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.



That means that not enough normal families want to adopt. You should be shouting out judgments about them instead.


I am one of the lucky ones, I guess. I survived the attack that left me in a coma for three weeks, and in another year I will probably be able to walk again.

=Incoherent thesis. What particular incident spurred on this attack? Were they in the World Trade center? This line is pretty open ended. They might have been attacked by muggers that wanted their money, no matter what "sexual preference" they were.


I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.
We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.


Depends on how they phrased it during the phone conversation.


I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.


If you're like that guy at public works, just go into the womens' and have them scream at you until the management builds you your own restroom.

I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.

You need to stop watching Law and Order.


I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.

This one pretty much negates half of what was said previously. Why should abusive gay partners be included in a poetic rant about discriminating against gays?


I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.

Oh booh hooh. I bet this author doesn't even know what it's like to be a little kid being beaten up by a drunken adult twice as large as him.


I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.


...And I am the father who got really disgusted when his son tried to French him.


I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.

"Those who can't teach, teach gym." - Woody Allen


I am the man who died when the paramedics stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual.

I call bullshit. As a nurse, my mom actually treated a transsexual. She thought it was amusing, but she did her job.


I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I didn’t have to always deal with society hating me.

Are you talking about Christianity, or are you talking about being gay? Oh. Right. I think you're talking about being gay again.


I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.

Try another church. There's tons of ones I don't approve of, and you're sure to fit!

Repost this if you think homosexuality is wrong.
Or not. I don't care.

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As a Christian, I'd rather not see same-sex marriage, but your argument is about as spotty as hers.

I am the reader who wonders why the author is saying he or she is in favor of gay marriage and somehow opposed to it at the same time.

Where does she say the latter?

I am the reader who thinks that the author is trying to do some Buddhist thing, but it doesn't work because they take a side on gay marriage.

Again, you must be judging from more info than you link, because I'm not seeing it at all. Anyway, even the Dalai Lama doesn't like homosexual behavior. That's taking a side, albeit the other one.

I am the reader who does a tapdance because marriage is still legally considered a union between man and woman, and not man and dog, man and child or man and inanimate object.

Very few favor any of those alternatives. I call slippery-slope fallacy.

I think homophobia is wrong. People are born how they are, and if you're born not what you want to be, you can change.

I agree that this part is disorganized. First I thought she was saying we should tolerate homosexuality because gays can't help it, but then she said they can change. The implication must be transsexuality, but that's really not the same issue.

I don't know about that. The city hired this one transsexual guy and they built a special restroom just for him.

"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote" (this applies to some of your later points as well). Transsexuals still get turned down from many things without a compelling reason.

Unexplained incident. Why do you assume it's due to something gay related? Maybe she got hit by a bus!

You're right that it's underinformative and thus bad poetry. But if we do establish a connection later, that's no refutation.

That means that not enough normal families want to adopt. You should be shouting out judgments about them instead.

That won't help much. They still won't want to adopt; they'll just resent you. Beggars can't be choosers, and orphans are decidedly beggars.

Depends on how they phrased it during the phone conversation.

How do you imagine they phrased it? "We want this bedroom for hot kinky sodomy YEAH BABY"? Unlikely, and if not, I don't see how the phrasing matters.

I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.

I do wonder if we'd be better off with unisex restrooms everywhere. The whole point of segregating them is to discourage perversion, but the Larry Craig scandal demonstrates the limits of that. That said, I may never relate to people who aren't satisfied with the gender they've had since conception.

You need to stop watching Law and Order.

Depends where one lives, I suspect.

Oh booh hooh.

Some Christian you are, trivializing a legitimate stressor. >:(

...And I am the father who got really disgusted when his son tried to French him.

You miss the point. This father is unreasonably uncomfortable with standard signs of parental affection due to an excessively homophobic upbringing. I'm sure it happens sometimes.

"Those who can't teach, teach gym."

What an irrelevant assertion in context.

Are you talking about Christianity, or are you talking about being gay?

This one's valid enough. Certainly hard to be nice to both.

I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.

And I agree with you that there's no point in going to a church whose dogma you don't believe. You want our brand of communion, you'd best cut out that unrepentant rulebreaking.
>As a Christian, I'd rather not see same-sex marriage, but your argument is
>about as spotty as hers.


It's more like heckling than arguing, actually.


>I am the reader who wonders why the author is saying he or she is in favor
>of gay marriage and somehow opposed to it at the same time.
>>Where does she say the latter?


Now that I re-read the "poem", I think the author either rewrote it, or the text reader went over the lines at such a rate that it seemed like it was saying something like "I am the guy at the city that turned down the marriage applications" or something.


>I am the reader who thinks that the author is trying to do some Buddhist >thing, but it doesn't work because they take a side on gay marriage.
Again, you must be judging from more info than you link, because I'm not seeing it at all. Anyway, even the Dalai Lama doesn't like homosexual >behavior. That's taking a side, albeit the other one.


Hmmm...I still wonder if the author rewrote his poem. There seemed to be lines about being on the anti gay side when I read it the first time.


>I am the reader who does a tapdance because marriage is still legally considered a union between man and woman, and not man and dog, man and
>child or man and inanimate object.
>Very few favor any of those alternatives. I call slippery-slope fallacy.


I'm just afraid that when and if I ever marry, that benefits and insurance will be stretched thin because of gay marriage. I heard a radio program about a place in Sweden where they practiced open gay marriage, and marriage basically had no meaning to them there anymore.


>I think homophobia is wrong. People are born how they are, and if you're >born not what you want to be, you can change.
I agree that this part is disorganized. First I thought she was saying we should tolerate homosexuality because gays can't help it, but then she said they can change. The implication must be transsexuality, but that's really
>not the same issue.


And I'm supposed to just take an intuitive leap I didn't want to take?


>I don't know about that. The city hired this one transsexual guy and they built a special restroom just for him.
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote" (this applies to some of your later points as well). Transsexuals still get turned down from many things >without a compelling reason.


These poems are nothing but a bunch of anecdotal fluff. It's "what it seems like" rather than what it is.


>Unexplained incident. Why do you assume it's due to something gay related? Maybe she got hit by a bus!
You're right that it's underinformative and thus bad poetry. But if we do >establish a connection later, that's no refutation.


That's too much work.


>That means that not enough normal families want to adopt. You should be shouting out judgments about them instead.
That won't help much. They still won't want to adopt; they'll just resent >you. Beggars can't be choosers, and orphans are decidedly beggars.


...So get a gay parent that could potentially sodomize you? I think you'd be better off an orphan.
...So get a gay parent that could potentially sodomize you?

Oh please. Are you so afraid that straight men will rape adopted daughters?
Oh forget it. The world is going to hell in a handbasket.
All the more reason why I never want to have kids. They'd have to grow up around kids that were raised by gay parents who teach them that "being gay is okay" as well as many other things that I'd have no control over. I wonder how I can get chemical castration?


>Depends on how they phrased it during the phone conversation.
How do you imagine they phrased it? "We want this bedroom for hot kinky sodomy YEAH BABY"? Unlikely, and if not, I don't see how the phrasing >matters.


That's what I meant. The author doesn't make this clear.


>I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.
I do wonder if we'd be better off with unisex restrooms everywhere. The whole point of segregating them is to discourage perversion, but the Larry Craig scandal demonstrates the limits of that. That said, I may never relate to people who aren't satisfied with the gender they've had since >conception.


Putting feathers in your ass does not make you a chicken.


>Oh booh hooh.
>Some Christian you are, trivializing a legitimate stressor. >:(


I wouldn't say I was trivializing anything. He got drunk and hurt me.


>...And I am the father who got really disgusted when his son tried to French him.
You miss the point. This father is unreasonably uncomfortable with standard signs of parental affection due to an excessively homophobic upbringing. >I'm sure it happens sometimes.


I intentionally missed the point to mock this bad poem.


>"Those who can't teach, teach gym."
>What an irrelevant assertion in context.


Lesbian gym teachers who are barred from "teaching". I mock.


>I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.
And I agree with you that there's no point in going to a church whose dogma you don't believe. You want our brand of communion, you'd best cut out that >unrepentant rulebreaking.


Unity Temple on the Plaza. I will never go there unless someone forces me to. Muddled doctrine and probably gay marriage.
I wouldn't say I was trivializing anything. He got drunk and hurt me.

You were trivializing another's story because yours was worse. That doesn't mean the first wasn't terrible enough.
Okay. Maybe so. Are you gay?
No, I'm empathic.
Okay, well, sorry for the argument. This was actually instructive because I was about to post this on another blog. Now that I see some holes in my theories, I think I'll pass on it.
That being said, if you actually communicated with the person who wrote those postings, you'd probably not care so much about defending their point of view. They certainly would rather gouge their eyes out with a rusty butter knife before defending yours!
I can believe it.